The JDK's Tea Rant

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

RE: The JDK's Tea Rant

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Exactly my point, my esteemed coffee drinking acquaintance. It's not steam. It's water vapour. So it's not 100 degrees.

So (and I'm at pains to say this again) there.

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

But, most importantly, it is wellabove 60 degrees.

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

But still not hot enough to make a proper cuppa.

Anyway... turns out if you go to the John Lewis cafe, you get a proper pot and all:

You also get a middle aged woman trying out all of the ring tones on her new phone, which was nice. I murdered her and put her head on a spike outside the ladies loos... in my mind.

-- Edited by ddvmor at 21:29, 2007-01-19

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

ddvmor wrote:
But still not hot enough to make a proper cuppa.

My point was not whether or not they were capable of making a proper cuppa (which a) I'm happy to take your word on & b) they don't even use the steam for - that would be plain weird) but that your comment about them not being allowed near anything over 60 degrees was pure nonsense.

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Have you ever noticed water vapour rising from your bath or shower? They're generally not over 60 degrees or you'd scald yourself when you got in. How about your breath when you're out in the cold?

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

You missed taking stuff out of a freezer by the way. So, you seriously consider the steam/water vapour used for making espresso to be below 60 degrees?

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

I consider the liquid served to you to be under 60 degrees. Which is insufficient to release the tea-y goodness. Did you know that at 65 degrees it takes less than 2 seconds to give you a second dregree burn?

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jan 21, 2007

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

Well, I shall only believe you (on the temperature, not the burning bit, I believe that) if you go into a coffee shop, with a thermometer & take a photo which clearly shows the thermometer in the steam & the temperature it records. So there.

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Pff. Aren't you familiar with the commandment 'Thou shalt not test your King'?

It's nice that you feel empowered to pick and choose the bits you believe though. You could start your own religion!

-- Edited by ddvmor at 12:57, 2007-01-22

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

I wasn't aware I was following yours!

JonnyStead · **"I'm Lois!"**

Jees - the JDK always seems to be falling out with someone on here !

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Tis just banter, my intellectually challenged and vaguely gibbon like friend. Go have a banana.

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

Oh, I'm not so much falling out with him, just enjoying picking holes in his flawed arguments!

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jan 22, 2007

i'm enjoying watching if that's relevant

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

I'm pleased to be helping to provide you with entertainment! Please do feel free to join in (on either side) it's not meant to be exclusive!)

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jan 22, 2007

see i dont have any opinion about steam/water vapour of anything of the like.. i'm having difficulty decided which side to jump in on

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

If it makes it any easier my point is basically that they can't make a good cup of tea because they either don't know how or can't be bothered & that it has bugger all to do with H&S regs.

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jan 23, 2007

ohhh i'm inclined to agree!

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

sha76jam wrote:
Oh, I'm not so much falling out with him, just enjoying picking holes in his flawed arguments!

Holes? Flawed holes? I don't think you'll find any holes in my perfectly formed reasoning. You on the other hand appear to floundering terribly in what appears to be lukewarm water!

sha76jam wrote:
If it makes it any easier my point is basically that they can't make a good cup of tea because they either don't know how or can't be bothered & that it has bugger all to do with H&S regs.

I may be inclined to agree with you there on the basis that not so long ago I was given a cup of tea which had been made with frothy milk - like the stuff you get in a latte. When I queried it, the guy just looked at me like I was insane!

"Why is my tea frothy, young man?" I asked him.
"Eh?" he countered after a moment of thought.
"Frothy. Tea. My tea is frothy. Tea is not generally served in a frothed state."
"Um, " said the boy. Then he added "Eh?" for good measure.
"Let me put it another way," said I, "I asked for tea. I did not ask for this freakishly frothy beverage."
The boy thought about this for a moment, then proffered "Er," as his considered response.

The conversation continued along those lines for a while until I convinced him to make me another cup of tea, walking him through the process step by step. It was painful.

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jan 23, 2007

wow, i wouldn't want to meet you in a dark.. frothy tea.. alley

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

So you're saying that you actually agree with me Darren? You'd just lost the point of the arguement?

-- Edited by sha76jam at 16:12, 2007-01-23

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jan 23, 2007

sha76jam wrote:
So you're saying that you actually agree with Darren? You'd just lost the point of the arguement?

i am?

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

Ooh, no, you're not at all! Typo amended, with my most humble apologies!

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jan 23, 2007

hahaha *phew*

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

sha76jam wrote:

So you're saying that you actually agree with me Darren? You'd just lost the point of the arguement?

-- Edited by sha76jam at 16:12, 2007-01-23

I was simply throwing you a bone by letting you know that one of your points actually came perilously close to being almost valid. I'm magnanimous like that.

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

Yet not man enough to admit defeat?

That one point was actually the whole crux of the argument.

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Which was that the water used in them there coffee preparators (another made up word... but a good one, I think) ain't hot enough to make a decent cuppa. Which, whether or not the spotty coffee boy knows how to make a decent cuppa, is still not hot enough. So I still win. Yay, me!

Incidentally it seems something of an oxymoron to use the phrase: 'not man enough to admit defeat'. No real man admits defeat on any subject, whether right or wrong.

Henglegert Rinkerdink · Sorry... I must have the wrong street.

What's all this nonsense about steam being less than 100C? Pah, steam is created at 100C and can be any temperature above that, in coffee making steam is forced through the coffee grounds and then condensed, this prevents the coffee being burnt but maintains a high temperture for the coffee. Tea does not burn but needs to infuse so the drinking temperature of tea, after the recommended 3 minutes infusion time (based on a pot) will be lower than that of an espresso.

Water vapour can exist at any temperture above that at which is freezes (which can be well below zero as it happens)

Water is strange though as at 374C and 22.064 MPa (or 217 times atmopsheric pressure at sea level) it exists as ice, water and steam simultaneously. Cool eh?