I dont know about you lot

HaloBurn · **Dad** Yarrr...

I dont know about you lot

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jul 12, 2005

heck yeah, i'm all about it

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

I just can't decide on this issue. I ain't a smoker, so it doesn't bother me if they ban it - but many of my mates are and it's likely to mightily piss em off.

I'm not entirely comfortable with the concept of a nanny state taking responsibility for our health away from us. On the other hand, the ilnesses caused by smoking cost the NHS a few quid every year and it's kinda smelly.

What to do, what to do...

HaloBurn · **Dad** Yarrr...

I'd ban it outright.

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Only if you're prepared to ban burgers as well. Eat 20 of those a day and you'll die quicker than from smoking!

I'm on holiday by the way. Har Har Har.

HaloBurn · **Dad** Yarrr...

ddvmor wrote:

Only if you're prepared to ban burgers as well. Eat 20 of those a day and you'll die quicker than from smoking!
I'm on holiday by the way. Har Har Har.

Yeah but you eat 20 burgers and you only hurt yourself, not poison everyone around you into the bargain (unless they follow you into the loo)

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Ew...

I feel the need to debate this point further, on account of my contactictory nature.

Eat 20 burgers a day, become an enormously fat lardy bloater, ruin the suspension of every car you go in, take up two seats on every bus, get overly sweaty and smelly, stinking out said car and bus (not to mention the lifts), create an overlap problem in the seats in the ciname (yes, I recently had to sit next to the fattest man in the world at the cinema - it wasn't nice) increase the risk of heart attacks, back trouble and so-on, causing a drain on NHS resources.

It may not be poisoning those around you, but it's having a similarly negative effect.

Point is, if you ban smoking, how long will it be before unhealthy eating is banned, then lack of exercise and so-on. How far should the nanny state take it? Should everything remotely bad for us be banned. Red meat? Sweetcorn? Reality TV shows? How about guffing in public?

-- Edited by ddvmor at 16:07, 2005-07-12

HaloBurn · **Dad** Yarrr...

I think it’s interesting when this topic is brought up how quickly other social issues are presented, over-eating, binge drinking, drugs the list goes on and on.

The fact is that a smoking ban is not designed to protect the health of smokers, it’s to protect the health of workers and non-smokers who have the freedom to breath clean air taken away by the largely selfish acts of (lets face it) drug addicts. Who one the whole are the most selfish people on the planet, I challenge anyone to walk up any city centre street and take more than five steps without walking over discarded cigarette ends or having smoke blown in their face.

Lets face it I know of no pending bill to curb what people eat, the reason is the same as why there is no complete ban on selling cigarettes; as long as people don’t directly harm the health of people who have no choice and only harm themselves then it’s a lifestyle choice and not within the government’s mandate to address whereas protecting workers and non-smokers health in enclosed public places is.

So big you may have problems with fat people but I don’t see how that’s relevant to the smoking ban.

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

No no. I have problems with the concept of a nanny state, not fat people.

HaloBurn · **Dad** Yarrr...

ddvmor wrote:

No no. I have problems with the concept of a nanny state, not fat people.

Then let me ask a question, if your work asked you to work in an area with tripping hazards exposed live electrics and water would you?

If not why not and what legislation would you expect to have to back you up if you refused? Because to me Health and safety at work is about having legislation in place to protect my Health and not just my safety. It's the same with smoking I have no problem with what people shove in their bodies as long as it has ne effect on my Health, and I think this is the spirit of the ban, so a nanny state protecting workers health? -bring it on.

oh Big you enjoying your holiday?

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Tripping hazards? Heh. People should look where they're going. Ever noticed how many people walk around looking everywhere but the direction in which they're walking? Asking for a sprained ankle, they are!

And yeh. My holiday is great. I have sunburn though.

Maybe we should bring in some legislation...

Susan · Tickle me, Elmo! I'm Roger Moore's Stunt Double!

ddvmor wrote:

My holiday is great.

JDK, you are truly jammie. No-one else can book the weather for their hols the way you do.

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

Ban the evil weed!

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Now, I'll have you know that I'm not a weed any more. I've bin workin out!

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jul 12, 2005

.. but you are evil??

i'm with halo on every thing said so far - the govt hasnt made cigarettes illegal, just poisoning other people and to add my 50cents..

they banned talking on mobiles in cars because something like 20 people died in a year in mobile-phone-using-related accidents ("The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents said: "At least 20 people have died on Britain's roads in crashes where mobile phones have been implicated." thank you BBC website) - and i agree with that too.. 1200 people die a year from passive smoking..

need i go on..

NateO · Vice JDK and Man of the People

They banned it in Minneapolis a few months back. I smoke and it really hasn't bothered me as much as I thought it might... Talk to me again next January.

NateO · Vice JDK and Man of the People

Banned it in the pubs that is...

I'm not a big fan of big governments like Darren is saying. Christ, they'll be banning beer at the pub next!

Well, I'm off, like a prom dress, to go have a smoke!

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

So... let me get this straight. They've banned using a mobile phone whilst driving in the pubs? Weird.

NateO · Vice JDK and Man of the People

ddvmor wrote:

They've banned using a mobile phone whilst driving in the pubs?

Can't smoke either!

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Bugrit.

You murcans are all mad!

NateO · Vice JDK and Man of the People

ddvmor wrote:

You murcans are all mad!

With rules like these? We're not just mad, we're pissed!!

-- Edited by NateO at 23:57, 2005-07-12

Short Santa · **For entertainment purposes only!**

well you definitely shouldn't be driving then :)

As a smoker I want smoking banned - it will help my weak mind cut down if not stop.

Since they banned smoking on trains and planes, I now have no problem going the journey without a smoke, I hope the same will be the case when I binge drink and punch policemen

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jul 16, 2005

the sooner they ban sky tv, the better for me

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

What do you have against Sky? They have Fashion TV.

NateO · Vice JDK and Man of the People

Sky tv?

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jul 16, 2005

well i'm addicted see (mostly to uk style - extreme makeovers, yeah baby) so, taking into account what santa said, i figured if it got banned i'd get over my addiction

NateO · Vice JDK and Man of the People

Erm, so if the government says don't do it, then you won't do it?

That's never been part of my core value system, sorry...

bonniepirateanne · Date: Jul 17, 2005

NateO wrote:

Erm, so if the government says don't do it, then you won't do it?
That's never been part of my core value system, sorry...

mostly i was being sarcastic

having said that, if the govt make a law out of it, i'd probably do as i was told

sha76jam · Cpt Acorn Short of An Oaktree

If the government ever bans chocolate I shall become criminal instantly.

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Short Santa wrote:

Since they banned smoking on trains and planes, I now have no problem going the journey without a smoke...

And now cars...

Although I have serious questions over this dude's sanity:

Maybe, said Assemblyman McKeon, "If your house was on four wheels and going 70 mph..."

Perhaps he's on drugs...