Movies Wot I Saw

JonnyStead · **"I'm Lois!"**

Movies Wot I Saw

stevo · UK Ambassador to the Antipodes

I agree that Heston is a bit of a tool for the right wing establishment but dont let it detract from a stunning, imaginative and emotional rollercoaster of a movie...

JonnyStead · **"I'm Lois!"**

good point - well made

Truckman · Old. But wise!

I'm watching one of my favorite Charlton Heston movies now, "Midway"...I've never seen one of his movies I didn't like...One of the earliest was "The Naked Jungle" with Eleanor Parker, great movie...I'll also watch "The Ten Commandments" every chance I get...

As for his association with the NRA (of which I've been a Life Member for about 25 years), I voted for him as President and he did not disappoint me...For me, the position of NRA President is that of a figurehead and spokesman, not necessarily a leader...When he asked for new members and support from current members, his voice rang with authority and clarity, showing his actor's training and experience...Gun owners and 2nd Amendment right supporters responded by swelling the membership ranks to over four million...

I wouldn't have traded him for any politician on the planet during his tenure...He was as effective in his job as the true steersman of the NRA, Vice President Wayne LaPierre, is in his job...I don't particularly care for LaPierre's tactics in raising funds as I don't believe in a steady diet of fear as a prime motivator...I'm hoping that, at some point, Tom Selleck will be mentioned as a potential NRA President as I think he has many of the qualities of Heston as a spokesman, and also brings less appearance as an alarmist...I think he would be extremely effective...

And now back to "Midway"...That fourth Jap carrier is about to get blown out of the water...

...Ben

stevo · UK Ambassador to the Antipodes

The right to bear arms (against the British) is enshrined in your constitution, but as over 10,000 of your citizens are killed every year in gun homicide I really can support the freedom to buy a semi automatic machine gun in Walmart. I dont even agree with hunting for pleasure you'll be alarmed to hear.

JDK will tell you I'm no pinko but I believe that guns should be in the hands of the armed services and possibly the police not potential lunatics with a grudge or militia men awaiting the collapse of society and judgement day. I wouldn't want a gun as there are times I would have shot people for being total dicks and that would make me a murderer..the problem is once one section of the community arms itself the other cant disarm and your stuck in a vicious cycle..a bit like the nuclear arms race..there would be no way the USSR would abandon nukes if the USA had them and visa versa

Back to Hesto- I really rate him as an actior..according to the blurb on the back of the Soylent Green, Heston is an 'action Titan'.

Midway was a terrific movie- and event. Americas greatest naval victory perhaps. The tide of the Pacific war was turned and Australia and New Zealand were safeguarded from Japanese Invasion- bravo..
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JonnyStead · **"I'm Lois!"**

From now on I want to be referred to as an Action Titan - is that ok?

Nice to see a good debate on here about the NRA - Ben me old chum, you have the floor!

Truckman · Old. But wise!

stevo wrote:

The right to bear arms (against the British) is enshrined in your constitution, but as over 10,000 of your citizens are killed every year in gun homicide I really can support the freedom to buy a semi automatic machine gun in Walmart. I dont even agree with hunting for pleasure you'll be alarmed to hear.
I don't view my rights as necessarily being used "against" anyone (even the British...)...I have the right to free speech, but I don't exercise it only against others...I carry a .45 everyday because I can, not because I have to...

As a technical point, I'll say that machine guns are not semi-automatic...Semi-automatics fire once for each single pull of the trigger; fully automatic machine guns fire continuously with each single pull of the trigger...The Wal-Mart where I live doesn't sell guns anymore...I like to think they couldn't stand the competition from me and we ran them out of business (nice dream, huh)...

I haven't hunted in years, but sport is not the only reason for hunting (although it's a good one)...Some hunt for food, others for predator control and some even hunt as a profession...Hunting is also a way of thinning the herd and letting nature produce healthier animals...

stevo wrote:
JDK will tell you I'm no pinko but I believe that guns should be in the hands of the armed services and possibly the police not potential lunatics with a grudge or militia men awaiting the collapse of society and judgement day. I wouldn't want a gun as there are times I would have shot people for being total dicks and that would make me a murderer..the problem is once one section of the community arms itself the other cant disarm and your stuck in a vicious cycle..a bit like the nuclear arms race..there would be no way the USSR would abandon nukes if the USA had them and visa versa

I'm glad we agree that our armed forces and law enforcement should have guns...They wouldn't be nearly as effective without them...I'm not sure how "potential" lunatics can be identified before their insanity, but if you can do it, you can be a rich man...Militia groups awaiting doomsday, armed or unarmed, don't bother me as long as they're waiting peaceably...I disagree that armed and unarmed societies can't co-exist, after all we allow Canada to stay on the continent don't we?

stevo wrote:

Back to Hesto- I really rate him as an actior..according to the blurb on the back of the Soylent Green, Heston is an 'action Titan'.

Midway was a terrific movie- and event. Americas greatest naval victory perhaps. The tide of the Pacific war was turned and Australia and New Zealand were safeguarded from Japanese Invasion- bravo..

We can shake hands on the above statements, Stevo...

...Ben

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

stevo wrote:
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JDK will tell you I'm no pinko
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It's tue. He's no pinko. More of an attractive bluey-green colour!

Out of interest, Ben, in what circumstances do you carry your gun? All thge time? Only when you're going somewhere dodgy? Would you wear it if you were going round to a mates for dinner?

Is there a requirement to have any training when you buy a gun? If not should there be? I have images of people wandering round with gund but not being able to fire it when they eventaully need it because no-one ever showed 'em how to point it in the right direction or take the safety off!

The concept of carrying a gun at any time is pretty alien to us in the uk (ok, Stead fantasizes about carrying a crossbow) cos we've just never done it.

Truckman · Old. But wise!

I don't look at others as Communist just because they don't agree with me, Darren...Besides, I'll never bend Stevo to my will by calling him derogatory names... idea

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Since you ask, I carry it pretty much everywhere I go...The laws concerning CHL holders (Concealed Handgun License) are fairly stringent and it's not an easy thing to obtain...Therefore, anybody with a CHL tends to walk the straight and narrow since losing the license is a lot easier than getting one...There are certain places where I cannot carry, such as Federal buildings, courthouses, sports stadiums and schools...Others are establishments that derive more than 51% of their revenue from the sale of on-premise alcoholic drinks as well as any place that displays the properly formatted sign stating that concealed handguns are prohibited...

As a courtesy, I would not enter a private home with my gun if I knew the homeowner felt uncomfortable about armed citizens...At this time, my CHL is recognized in 38 states besides Texas and when I travel I must abide by the laws of whatever state I'm in...It is my responsibility to know the law in the state I travel through...

No training is required to buy a gun although when I sell a gun to someone who is obviously unfamiliar with them, I offer training in their safe use and I explain all the controls on the gun at the time of sale...I don't think training should be required any more than I would require it before buying a knife, a lawnmower, a hammer or anything else with a potential for misuse...I believe the responsibility for the safe use of anything lies with the user and not the seller or a government entity...

I understand your concerns and I'll try to explain my beliefs anytime you want me to...The concept of not carrying a gun is as alien to me as having one with you would be to you...Your recent trip here with Catfish might have been seen in a different light if you knew how many people you came in contact with were armed...You just didn't know it... confused

...Ben

catman · Newbie (be nice to me)

Point of view from another Yank:
"The Right to Keep and Bear Arms". It was written into our country's Bill of Rights. As such, it's one of our traditions, customs, rights, or what have you. There is a lot of debate whether or not weapons belong in a so-called civilized society; nevertheless, it is a part of the United States' way of life. Perhaps this country will change its outlook as it develops (after all, we are "the new kid on the block" as far as established nations go), but for now this is the status quo, and many of us want to keep it that way. (As a comparison, how would the British population react if other nations were insisting that the Royal Family, being an outdated institution, be phased out? My guess is the answer would be less than cordial, and rightly so- it's a British tradition, and only for the British to decide.)

Mr. Truckman also brings up a good point re: how many of us carry arms, unbeknownst to the general public. It's a matter of responsibility. This rarely makes news; what gets broadcast are the occasional violent episodes that happen to involve firearms combined with irresponsible, mentally ill, or criminal elements. It could be compared to drunk driving- the vast majority abide by those laws, but those who don't cause considerable death, destruction, and injury. So should we ban alcohol or autos because of the minority of people who choose to act like idiots?

Bottom line: it ain't a perfect world, but hopefully we will all keep trying to sort it.

P.S.- I thought "The Omega Man", starring you-know-who, was terrible. weirdface

-- Edited by catman at 18:43, 2007-10-13

Truckman · Old. But wise!

catman wrote:
I thought "The Omega Man", starring you-know-who, was terrible.

-- Edited by catman at 18:43, 2007-10-13

I think Anthony Zerbe had the standout performance in that one as the head zombie... evileye ...Ben

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Truckman wrote:
I understand your concerns and I'll try to explain my beliefs anytime you want me to...The concept of not carrying a gun is as alien to me as having one with you would be to you...Your recent trip here with Catfish might have been seen in a different light if you knew how many people you came in contact with were armed...You just didn't know it...

catman wrote:
As a comparison, how would the British population react if other nations were insisting that the Royal Family, being an outdated institution, be phased out? My guess is the answer would be less than cordial, and rightly so- it's a British tradition, and only for the British to decide.

I'm certainly not trying to say that you guys shouldn't be allowed to carry guns - especially as (as you say) it's none of my business! I'm just curious as to why you carry 'em beyond the fact that your consitution says you can!

catman wrote:
P.S.- I thought "The Omega Man", starring you-know-who, was terrible.

I don't think I've seen that one. Heston is a great actor though!

catman · Newbie (be nice to me)

ddvmor wrote:
I don't think I've seen that one. Heston is a great actor though!

Yeah, but he took that one off biggrin

Why carry? Everyone has his/her own reasons, which I can't comment on (since I don't know). I live in a dodgy area (I'm trying out real English; hope you don't mind), where there is a lot of crime. Around here, you can either hope for a cop to show up while you're getting victimized, or you can do a little "persuading", if you get my drift.

Truckman · Old. But wise!

ddvmor wrote:
I'm certainly not trying to say that you guys shouldn't be allowed to carry guns - especially as (as you say) it's none of my business! I'm just curious as to why you carry 'em beyond the fact that your consitution says you can!

And we appreciate that, Darren...I'll try to expand a bit on my explanation...I carry a gun in the same manner as I carry a ball-point pen or a credit card, just because it's comfortable to do so and I might need it today...

None of us are likely to carry everything we need with us but we each choose to have a few things at hand...A lot of people carry cell phones, for instance, and feel more secure having them...I don't even own one and can't understand the fascination with them...

Out of politeness and concern for those that fear firearms, I'm glad Texas law requires me to conceal my gun and I would probably do so even if open carry was permitted...

And why the .45, you ask?...Because they don't make a .46...

...Ben

Le Voyageur · Newbie (be nice to me)

Of late, just finished Hero, and Flyboy..... and each with a hottie...

As for guns, I'm a hunter. In me neck of the woods it puts meat on the table. To us mountain folks hunting is no different then fishing, or lopping the head off of a chicken. As we see it, doing our own killing is more honest and noble then buying a prepackage cut of beef, what we call a proxy kill.
Hunting keeps us in touch with reality, and our place in the natural world since we live in a closed environment. In order for us to live, we must eat. And to eat means something must die, be it a carrot, or an animal.
Also, I take great pride in one shot kills. Keeps the fear out the meat....the other day had to drop a beautiful doe that had been hit by a vehicle and left suffering with a broken hip/leg. I could of dressed the animal out, but because of it's emotional state it was better to leave it to the scavengers. Eating meat laden with fear and pain harms both the soul and the body causing sickness...

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

I've seen Hero. It was ace. I assume the 'hottie' you refer to is Maggie Cheung! She's a babe!

(er... but not as postively babelicious as Catfish, obviously...)

I haven't seen Flyboys. is this the film in question? If so, I gotta say that the box art is awesome! It's got planes and explosions and everything! Woohoo!

Back on the guns thing - I came across this rather cool news story while I should have been working. Basically - guy wakes up in the night to the sounds of two guys breaking into his garage, wanders down with his shotgun, accosts them with the cheesiest line you could ever imagine 'You sneeze, you're dead, man!' and holds 'em at guntpoint until the police get there!

Now, I don't have any issues at all with people using guns to defend their own property and family, as long as they don't go bezerk, like!

Truckman · Old. But wise!

The homeowner is correct...Nocturnal ne'er-do-wells understand the the universal language of racking a pump shotgun...What can happen next is unmistakable...He did well...He knew there was a possibility of them being armed also and from his recollection of the event, it sounds like they knew he was in command...Ben

-- Edited by Truckman at 14:47, 2007-10-15

JonnyStead · **"I'm Lois!"**

We cant do the gun thing in the UK as I've discussed before - and personally I dont mind responsible citizens being approved for gun ownership. Ultimately - even with no right to arm in the UK guns are flooding in so it is a quandry.

Having said all that though, I keep little 'surprises' around the house for the numpty stupid enough to pay me an unanounced visit in the middle of the night and I'd be pretty convincing at persuading the rozzers that anything I did to the little scroats could be considered 'reasonable' force...

"They said they were going to kill me your Honour - honest"

Le Voyageur · Newbie (be nice to me)

ddvmor wrote:

I've seen Hero. It was ace. I assume the 'hottie' you refer to is Maggie Cheung! She's a babe! (er... but not as postively babelicious as Catfish, obviously...)

I haven't seen Flyboys. is this the film in question? If so, I gotta say that the box art is awesome! It's got planes and explosions and everything! Woohoo!

Yep, that's the one. Way kwell....it's kinda a cross between "Wings", and "Hell's Angel".

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

So... next up is the Last King of Scotland. Scottish lad turns up in Uganda at the start of Amin's regime and gets roped in as Amin's personal physician. Some really good perfomances from Forest Whittaker (he got an oscar for it you know) and that guy from Shameless. Little bit gory in places, as you'd expect from that part of the word. Only probnlem I had with it was that the ending wasn't very satisfactory. But that's a problem with most movies based on true events.

Anyway, I reccomend it to y'all.

Truckman · Old. But wise!

ddvmor wrote:

y'all.

Apparently us southern boys are having some good influence on you...Ben

ddvmor · **I am the Jammie King!**

Indeed.

Truckman · Old. But wise!

ddvmor wrote:

Indeed.

That should be, "Ya betcha boots, Bubba"...

...Ben

JonnyStead · **"I'm Lois!"**

I thought they all had double barrelled names like Bubba-Jo or Johnny-bob or Lizzy-May etc etc....

Or in the JDKs case - Lardy-ass

sorry