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I am the Jammie King!




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It's ok... I'm taking it back!


Um.


So I was sent an e-mail chain earlier this week which contained the following paragraph from senior management (I've asterisked out the sensitive bit, in case you're wondering):






...have we captured any **** intelligence? If not are we able to revisit via the techies to see if this could be done?




Now... for no reason other than that I want to be contrary, I have decided to take offence at being referred to as a 'techie'.  It's not particularly offensive, but in our climate of political correctness and giving in to minorities over insanely trivial things, I thought I'd see if I could get it listed as a baaaaaad word - just for ha-has.  I have decided to interpret it as condescending and dismissive of my role.  I'm a Developer and an Analyst dammit!


Ho hum.  So... I'll let you know how that goes for me then...



-- Edited by ddvmor at 08:44, 2006-10-04

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It is certainly worth a go - I dont know how much success you will have though.


I was told a funny story today. A while ago a colleague of mine (an attractive lady) was subjected to a sexist remark by one of our MDs. When she found out that she had to go have another meeting with him she went to her immediate boss to voice her concerns. The response she got was amazing - her boss said.... wait for it...


"You need to put your personal feelings for him aside and just accept that he likes attractive women"


I'll get the chequebook...



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I am the Jammie King!




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JonnyStead wrote:


 (an attractive lady)



You mean you, don't you...?


I think people are waaaay too sensitive about the odd sexist, ageist or racist remark.  They seem to forget that when you live in a country that practices free speech, you're gonna get offended once in a while (honestly I didn't steal that quote...).  It's not illegal to be racist or sexist or whatever.  It's illegal to discriminate against someone because of it and a remark about someones legs or cleavage or whatever isn't discrimination in my book.  It's only when you're actually discriminated against because of your gender or race that you should start getting umpy.


That said... I'm not a techie.  I'm a developer.  Or an Analyst.  Or, just occasionally... a skiver...



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Just occasionally?


 


I agree that we do live in a free society BUT I think when amazingly senior people in an organisation are talking to or dealing with the rank and file (like me or this lady) they should be extremely careful and professional at all times. Else they leave the company open to massive risk in my mind and they should get a swift kick in the goolies for doing it.



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While it may not be discrimination it most certainly is sexual harrassment.  Personally I just scare blokes to much for them to try it!



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Is it sexual harassment or is it just some dirty old man making an inappropriate comment and, in doing so, making himself look like a bit of a prick?

By the way, Shaz, that's a damn fine bit 'o booty you got there!

I'm not scared of you, see!

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If the dirty old man makes a habit of it then that's harassment.


And why thank you. <no suitable smiley available to look you direct in the eye & make you wonder as to the safety of your balls, should you try any more inappropriate "compliments">



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my colleague is always looking at me up and down and saying things that perhaps a work colleage shouldnt

oh wait, he's my husband

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That's the ultimate harassment, surely!

Incidentally, shaz - have I complimented your rack recently?

In the absence of the 'death stare' smiley, I laugh in the face of danger!

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I sincerely hope your talking about my cd rack?  Otherwise you really need to work on those compliments!


Hmmm, I shall be coming through Bristol on Friday & Sunday.  May I suggest you lurk on the station platform so I can demonstrate the look?



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Well your train will whizz past my house at some point, so I shall keep an eye out.  I should warn you however that as my mother both invented and holds the patent for the original death stare, it's unlikely that your death stare will even raise an eyebrow.  Sorry.


Phowarrr.  Look at the legs on that!


We need a dirty old man smiley with waggling eyebrows!



-- Edited by ddvmor at 07:47, 2006-09-28

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ddvmor wrote:


Is it sexual harassment or is it just some dirty old man making an inappropriate comment and, in doing so, making himself look like a bit of a prick? By the way, Shaz, that's a damn fine bit 'o booty you got there! I'm not scared of you, see!


I think if you're an MD on hudreds of thousands of pounds a year and you are so 'senior' to the female member of staff its untrue - then yes I think they should keep that sort of behaviour under control at all times. They are supposed to be 'leaders'

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ddvmor wrote:



I should warn you however that as my mother both invented and holds the patent for the original death stare, it's unlikely that your death stare will even raise an eyebrow.  Sorry.




I'm not threatening you with death stares.  This stare does more to effect the possiblity of there ever being Jammie Dodger princes/princesses.

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Personally if a male colleague looks me up and down and can appreciate what he sees I don't mind him sharing that discreetly .  It's when someone calls me something derogatory in front of my boss that it really makes me cross (and upset unfortunately - I'd love to say I can just get cross, but I can't).

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The issue of inappropriate comments such as the one(s) mentioned isn't an issue of discrimination, it's an issue of making it uncomfortable for said lady to come to work.  Were you ever bullied as a kid?  If so, you remember that uncomfortable feeling at the thought of encountering your tormentor(s)?  Well, as adults we should have to deal with this feeling when we go to work every day.

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But are you a techie?  Are you?  Hmm?

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You shouldnt take that from them mate - stick it to them - go on then!

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I just told my bosses boss off for it.  He was a bit taken aback...

-- Edited by ddvmor at 14:03, 2006-10-03

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Heh nice - I'll get you fired yet...

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During my one to one with my boss this afternoon, I managed to carry a discussion of the offensiveness of 'techie' for almost 10 minutes.  I managed not to laugh and I'm pretty sure that my boss is now convinced of it's general rudeness...

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I'm impressed.  Now if you can get a petition going and pass some sort of law, you'll eternally be my hero.



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You mean he isnt already? That must mean I am then right?

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Err ...

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