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do you like to read?


wow, that sounds fun: http://www.bookcrossing.de/


but I'm not sure I wanna just leave a precious book around somewhere...what if someone just bins it?



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I think its a cool idea if it gets more people reading and the unique BCID code is clever so you can track the whereabouts of your book -


Now the 'sad case' boring bit - this is technically a breach of intellectual copyright law though as 'sharing or lending' is prohibited but Im sure there would be a way to do it if we put our brains together - !



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Tis an interesting concept.  Sadly if you left a book lying around in Bristol, the locals wouldn't recognise what it was and would probably get the Police to call in the Bomb Squad to get rid of the 'suspicious object'.


I have many books.  Maybe I should leave them lying around in the park...


 


 


(Ich mußte Deutsches für diese Web site erlernen.)


 


 


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Incidentally, Steaders.  I'm not sure copyright law is infringed here.  You're not allowed to lend or rent to the public, but in this case you are effectively lending to a 'friend' (albeit one you don't know).  I'm pretty sure it works in the same way that I would lend you a book without fear of being sued by the publisher.


Given that the site says that many publishers are behind the scheme, I suspect they're not gonna get too excited about it!



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ddvmor wrote:


  Ich mußte Deutsches für diese Web site erlernen.


Why?


   (Ich bin nicht an es sehr gut)


Sorry that doesn't really make any sense...happens if oyu use those translating programs ;)


Another worst case scenario: what if you and another potential book-crosser arive at the same time to "find" the book



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Calvin wrote:


Sorry that doesn't really make any sense...happens if oyu use those translating programs ;)

Pfff.  I trust the babel fish!

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ddvmor wrote:


Incidentally, Steaders.  I'm not sure copyright law is infringed here.  You're not allowed to lend or rent to the public, but in this case you are effectively lending to a 'friend' (albeit one you don't know).  I'm pretty sure it works in the same way that I would lend you a book without fear of being sued by the publisher. Given that the site says that many publishers are behind the scheme, I suspect they're not gonna get too excited about it!


Not so my good friend (and having a pretty good knowledge of this due to my previously owning a music production company and having an IP lawyer in our employ) -


Lending to anyone (public or not) is technically an infringement of copyright as is reselling - indeed those selling DVDs, music and books on ebay are taking (an albeit very small) legal risk.


Look at it this way - as an author how happy would you be if you only sold 1 copy of your book but 1000s read it over the years as the one copy was 'lent' from a friend to a friend...? This is why lending is prohibited.


As i said before though - ultimately if it promotes people to buy and read books long term, I'm sure no-one will mind.



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Surely this is giving, not lending, you don't get it back.

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JonnyStead wrote:


Lending to anyone (public or not) is technically an infringement of copyright as is reselling - indeed those selling DVDs, music and books on ebay are taking (an albeit very small) legal risk.


So...  presumably you're intimately familiar with the 'first sale' principle then, my pygmy-like friend.


I quote:





"The general idea behind the exhaustion of intellectual property rights, also known as the first sale doctrine, is that the legal monopoly granted by the intellectual property rights confers to the registered proprietor only the right to control the first sale. After the first sale the right is exhausted, which means that the right cannot be used to control subsequent dealings therein. The practical significance of this exhaustion is that the original manufacturer cannot use his intellectual property rights to tie the successive buyers of his products to his own conditions, for instance fixed prices for retail sales.


The rule of exhaustion of rights was originally regarded as a necessary demarcation line between two colliding properties, namely the intellectual property right of the producer and the common proprietary right of the owner of a product he has bought. The latter should remain free to enjoy the specific privileges of traditional ownership. In this regard, he should for all practical purposes be free to resell or otherwise dispose of his property."



And in simpler terms:





"One important public-policy aspect of copyright law that helps to support the idea of public access is the "first-sale" rule, which indicates, roughly speaking, that the author or publisher of a work has no control over an individual copy of a work once that copy has been sold. The new owner is free to lend, rent, or re-sell the purchased copy. This simple but important tenet enables a variety of institutions to exist, including libraries, second-hand book stores, archives, and auction houses, and is even the underpinning for lending books between friends, all of which promote public access."


But I'm sure you know better than the professionals who wrote all that guff!



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Reselling maybe but lending my friend is why on the back of EVERY cd, DVD and book you own are printed the words -


'All rights of the producer and of the owner of [the recorded] work reserved. Copying, lending, hiring, public perfomance, diffusion and broadcasting of this work prohibited'


But hey - what does every publisher and production house in the world know?


 



-- Edited by JonnyStead at 11:29, 2006-03-14

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I just looked in 5 different books, including the Oxford English Dictionary, Six Sigma for Dummies and a book on statistics.  Can't see those words anywere.


Just saying is all...



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Pfff - well I've just looked on the back of 5 DVDs - 3 CDs and your Obesity awareness leaflet which you left at my place last night - you know when you were crying into a bucket of icecream (which you finished by yourself) over how large you are why you feel so victimised by society... and its on those -


Not that Im resorting to personal insults now...



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Yeah.  This discussion ain't about DVDs and CDs though, is it?  It's about books.  With words in.  And not the ones about Rosie and Jim and Spot The Dog's Big Red Ball that you're so familiar with either, you etymologically retarded weasel fancier.

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JonnyStead wrote:


Pfff - well I've just looked on the back of 5 DVDs - 3 CDs... and its on those...


House of Flying Daggers doesn't.  Coach Carter doesn't.  Howl's Moving Castle doesn't.  Those were just the first 3 DVDs I came across in Virgin at lunchtime.  I'll be more than happy to check each and every DVD and CD in my collection to verify this when I get home.


In fact no two of the ones I checked had the same copyright message on.  Most simply stated that copying or public broadcast were naughty.  One had more or less your wording but included the word 'unauthorised', which to me makes a significant difference.  And one simply said 'Copyright 20th Century Fox' on it.


If re-selling is in breach of these laws, how does a shop, having bought the product from the publisher or a wholesaler, justify selling these on to it's customers?


I have temporarily finished being anal now.  You can all go about your business...



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I am making no comments about the truth of it, but "you etymologically retarded weasel fancier!" is just such a fantstic insult!

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I liked it...


 


...and it's all true...



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I'd acknowledged reselling - but I was already on to lending so there...

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Well hurry up and make your case, cos I'm gettin' bored with your lack of point.


Honestly, it's like talking to a blunt pencil...



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But what about GIVING?  Surely that is the point?

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